The future of the RTRP designation may be in doubt, but many preparers still seem to see urgent need to take CE and when possible advance in the profession.
“I have always taken CE and plan to continue doing so,” wrote Kenneth Reid of MasterType Accounting and Business Services in Chicago, commenting on a LinkedIn preparer discussion board. “It’s the only way I know of to try to keep abreast of the multiple changes in the Tax code from one year to the next. I average about 90 hours of CE per year (just for tax CE), and I often feel this is not enough to keep up with the number of changes that have been happening over the last three or four years or so.”
“Anyone who is a tax preparer would be crazy not to take CE every year,” he added.
“If the RTRP designation is voluntary, it might help differentiate my practice from the others in my community,” said Frank Hagan, CEO of Acumen Consulting. “Depending on the status, I will either get the RTRP or wait and get an EA designation.”
“Serious people will subscribe to journals and online tax research libraries, buy books, attend seminars and take CE,” he added. “Un-serious people will take the minimum required with absolutely no effect on how well they prepare tax returns.”
“I'm an EA, so still have an education requirement, but I'd be getting CE regardless. No one in any field should ever think he knows everything he'll ever need to know,” added Dave Liesse of Skingco Services in Kent, Wash.
“I will always take the credits. I had more than 60 last year. I think that any RTRP should. Can you imagine your doctor not studying?” added Laura Hartmann, tax preparer with the Guilford, Conn.-based The Hartmann Group.
Dawn Pickrahn, owner of Michigan-based Pick One Tax Service and a preparer for more than 13 years, said, “From the day I started into this business, it only took me a nanosecond to realize that I needed schooling to be able to serve my clients with an accurate, quality return. I take as many classes as I can each year before tax season starts. I'm also going to school working on my BA in accounting. I’m making myself more marketable as well as trustworthy.”
“Just a few minutes ago I opened an article from the IRS showing a video of how IRS Free File can help make taxes less taxing,” Pickrahn added. “If it’s that easy, why am I required to take this test to prove that I know what I'm doing?”
The Role of the RTRP
“We're receiving calls from customers who want to schedule and take the exam,” wrote Matt McBride, president of Altamonte Springs, Fla.-based Fast Forward Academy, in an e-mail. “They're disappointed that the exams have been cancelled or that they cannot schedule them. Some are upgrading to EA, some are still buying anyway, and others are waiting until the exams are available again.”
“Most of our students feel strongly that the RTRP will be around for a long time, and when we talk to students we are finding that they believe the RTRP is a good thing for the industry. Folks are telling us that they see this as a potential barrier to entry in their business that is much needed. Right now, anyone at any time can open a tax business that isn’t really qualified and can take quality business away from the mom-and-pop shops. Other students have shared that they have never had the opportunity to earn a credential as a tax preparer and are proud to hang that certificate from the U.S. Treasury Department on their wall and have the letters after their name. Others see this as a marketing opportunity to separate themselves in the marketplace and to be listed in a national tax preparer registry for exposure,” McBride added.
“You cannot cut someone’s hair, become a mall cop, or sell hot dogs on the street without getting a license or some sort of education. As the industry currently exists, you have tons of great tax preparers and mom-and-pop shops that not only have to worry about the big box chains, but also have their business threatened by new entrants who don't have the qualifications or aren’t staying current with the latest tax law changes. We believe this is good for the preparers who are doing the right things for their clients, staying educated and current, and will ultimately help keep the bad apples out of the business. The RTRP should strengthen the industry for all preparers earning a living, and it’s better for the taxpayer in the long-run to have our nation’s best preparers representing them,” McBride added.
Jon A. Hayes, co-founder of East Lansing, Mich.-based Tax Preparer Connections, also wrote that face-to-face CE often works best. “When you choose good presenters supported by good reference materials, it synergizes the audience. Hallway and mealtime discussions elevate in value, and people walk away with purpose.”
Not all preparers were totally positive on CE. “When I started, we were pen and paper, no computers,” one preparer wrote. “I would drive the 200 miles to annual IRS trainings, buy current publications each year, and generally kept up with changes. I wasn’t doing it because it was required. I did it to make sure I kept up with changes and knew what I was doing -- much more effective than the current trend of taking CEs that may or may not have any relevance [other than] just to have the required credits. I know the required CEs I took this year taught me nothing and didn’t increase my competency one iota.”






6 Comments
California has the requirement already. The biggest thefts have happend here.
THE INDIVIDUAL TURBO TAX BOX YOU CAN BUY AT STAPLES IS WERE THE PROBLEMS ARE HAPPENING..
Do a better job of background check for EFIN number. Concentrate on the individual turbo tax filer.
Problem Solved.. You should have ask us to start with !!!!LOL
The best tax prepares are the ones who have the experience and research capabilities.
Education should be a must and mandated by the states.
However, non of this will stop fraud !!!!!!
Posted by: JDAVIS | February 14, 2013 4:15 PM
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I am happy to tax CE's to make sure that I provide the highest level of service to my clients. I have four partners in our office we all take CE's and additional training above and beyond. We are committed to quality. I want the RTRP to become a babdge of honor. We will show the public that we are serious and professionals.
I am in the mortgage industry and I welcomed the national testing,CE & background checks.. We must do the same in this industry. Watch how quickly the QuickTax Industry(Jackson&Hewitt,etc) will raise the standards.
Posted by: J.M.ALEXANDER | February 12, 2013 3:02 PM
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Over the past weekend, I had a client that used a CPA for many years and the CPA had fled the country and left him owing back taxes of over $43,000 as well as a tax lien on his paid off home. Continuing education (CE) is a great thing but it is not going to prevent false tax returns, or processing tax returns incorrectly. Yes, not all tax preparers knows everything. I had called the IRS a few times myself to ask questions and I had discovered that not all IRS agents know everything and they suppose to be trained agents as well. However, I believe the IRS should have proper training not only on the tax law changes and provisions but on how to prepare certain forms. Continuing education (CE) should be mandated from all tax preparers; in despite of, the RTRP not mandated. The (CE)should also be in class setting like a seminar over all the IRS forms in knowing how to report and how to fill out the forms for clients.
Posted by: NICKIE | February 12, 2013 11:56 AM
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Doing taxes in CA for 37 years, we have always had CE,registration and paying fee's and CA still has unreg preparers being fined each year.
Posted by: DENNISLM | February 11, 2013 4:15 PM
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Any individual who holds themselves out to the public as a professional should clearly understand their responsibility to maintain current and up to date knowledge in the field that they have chosen. Anything less and you are a charlatan and fraud. That being said, the vast majority of us who do hold ourselves out as professionals in the tax business are honest and proud of the work we do and would not contemplate continuing year after year in a business that is ever changing without keeping abreast of those changes whether it be through classes, journals, multimedia, or self study of the Tax Code. I would love to see the RTRP designation become a voluntary option for our profession. I think it would benefit the client, knowing that they have chosen a true professional, as well preparers who are coming on board now and in the future. The only flaw in the program was the IRS' way of implementing it. It was illegal and overstepping of their authority. Now, IRS, take this good idea you had and re-think how to use it to served this industry in its best manner. And do it quickly before the opportunity is lost.
Posted by: DrHoodoo | February 11, 2013 10:46 AM
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I agree with the person quoted in the last paragraph of the article, that much of the current CE activity simply goes through the motions without really imparting tax knowledge. The only real way to test someone's knowledge of the tax code is to assign a tax preparation problem that required researching the tax code in order to prepare the tax return correctly. This would really separate the sheep from the goats. The only problem is that no one wants to be responsible for creating and grading such a genuine test, because it would take too much time and effort on the evaluator's test.
Posted by: janejohn | February 11, 2013 9:38 AM
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